The City of New Rochelle is plagued with illegal immigrants. One of the main reasons why these illegal immigrants come to New Rochelle is for the work that is available to them in many private sectors. The main area is landscaping & contracting business that employs them. These businesses pay these illegal immigrants cash so that they can cheat the government out of payroll taxes and unemployment taxes. These illegal immigrants also cheat the government. Their salaries are not taxed because they are not recorded by there so called employer. BUT, theses illegal immigrants sure know how to take advantage of our health and welfare system. They are main contributors as to why our nation’s health and welfare system is in the red. You see, when you have more people pulling out then putting in, what do people expect? To bad our government officials can’t see the logic in this. But this is another topic.
The reason for this story is that illegal immigrants are being allowed by their employers to handle equipment that they are either not trained to handle or not licensed to operate. Many landscapers & contractors are allowing unlicensed illegal immigrants to operate their business vehicles, being large trucks. Why are these business owners allowing these unlicensed illegal immigrants to operate these vehicles? Answer, Money!!! You see, the more vehicles a contractor has operating, the more jobs he can do equaling the more money for him.
So why are our local government officials allowing this to happen? Answer, Money again!!! These businesses are owned by individuals with connections to New Rochelle City Hall officials that contribute money to them. Should they get “caught” doing something illegal, they make one phone call to their connection and the problem gets taken care of. Well, we tax paying citizens say, enough is enough!!!
New Rochelle City Officials better start “Cleaning Up” before it gets worse! In 2005 Mary Nagle was raped and murdered by illegal immigrant, Ronald Douglas Herrera Castellanos. Castellanos was an undocumented employee of Color-On, a contractor that was hired to work on the Nagle’s deck.
In 2006, Elizabeth Butler was raped, strangeled and stabeld to death in her family’s car by an illegal immigrant, Ariel Menendez. Menendez is another undocumented worker.
And there are many, many more…
Researcher Deborah Schurman-Kauflin Ph.D. of the Violent Crimes Institute, reports on the analysis of 1,500 violent crimes from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal aliens. The data is found in her report, The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants in the United States, which notes that, based on a figure of 12 million illegal immigrants and the fact that more of this population is male than average, sex offenders among illegal aliens are a higher percentage than sex offenders in the general population.
The study breaks down the 1,500 cases reviewed this way:
• 525, or 35 %, were child molestations
• 358, or 24 %, were rapes
• 617, or 41 %, were sexual homicides and serial murders
Of the child molestations, 47% of the victims were Hispanic, 36% Caucasian, 8% Asian, 6% African American and 3% other nationalities. In 82% of the cases the victims were known to their attackers. “In those instances, the illegal immigrants typically gained access to the victims after having worked as a day laborer at or near the victims’ homes,” she says. “Victims ranged in age from 1 year old to 13 years old, with the average age being 6.”
In her examination of the sex-related homicides, Schurman-Kauflin noted:
“The murders were the worst of the sex crimes and were especially vicious. The most common method was for an offender to break into a residence and ambush his victims. Not only were victims raped, but some (6%) were mutilated. The crime scenes were very bloody, expressing intense, angry perpetrator personalities. Specifically, most victims were blitzed, rendered incapable of fighting back, and then raped and murdered. The most common method of killing was bludgeoning, followed by stabbing. Caucasians were more likely to become victims of sexual homicide committed by illegal immigrants. Hispanics were second, and African Americans were third.”
***What Our Local Politicians Don’t Want Us to Know*** Read this site: http://www.darksideofillegalimmigration.com/page6.html
So, if New Rochelle City Officials DO NOT start cleaning up our City, they will be as GUILTY as the persons committing the crimes because they allowed it to happen!!!
The landscape & contracting companies that hire these illegal immigrants will also be as GUILTY as the persons committing the crimes because they also allowed it to happen!!!
Stop complaining and do something!
Report companies hiring illegal workers to the IRS. Complete form 394-A or write an anonymous letter to the IRS. Learn more about this procedure by visiting http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=106778,00.html
Now onto my reaction to this article:
From article: “They are main contributors as to why our nation’s health and welfare system is in the red.”
Actually while there are illegals utilizing the health system the costs of our health system to Americans is the problem. Big Pharma and such are bleeding our nation for profits. Plain and simple. If Americans want to go around blaming people for the big health care scam, they need to look in their retirement portfolios and see if they are invested in these companies. Thus giving the companies the power to rip us off.
While illegals do commit crime, the majority of crimes committed in this country are by Americans.
Illegal immigration is a civil crime. We can throw the blame on the workers or go after the real culprits the companies.
From article: “47% of the victims were Hispanic, 36% Caucasian, 8% Asian, 6% African American and 3% other nationalities.”
Nationality refers to where you are born the correct terms are race and ethnicity.
Hispanic is not a race it is a catchall for people living in the Western Hemisphere whose nations resulted from Spanish colonization. You can be Native, White, Black, Asian (and a mix of all) and be Hispanic. It is like saying Middle Easterner. This a catchall phrase referring to people in a certain geographic region. Which is then made up of numerous types of ethnic and racial identities. I am ethnically an American Black, my family was here since the colonial period (there are many types of Black people). My nationality is American and my race is Black.
Illegals vote democrat
democrats won’t stop illegal immigration..period! In fact they will try to legalize all illegals to gain that voting block.
this comment is
room temperature IQ
Democrats are all bleeding
Democrats are all bleeding hearts…
Do some more research!!!!!! Read more!!!!!
To the the anti-immigrant pundits commenting here, don’t feel guilt that you are not up to par in skill or desire to work as the new immigrants are. Don’t feel uptight or angry that these new immigrants work harder than you. At the end of the day there are few statistics that will back one side from another, but focus on the the local impact which in New Rochelle are positive. Those who comment don”t seem to go out much. The commentaries made in these forum attempt to portray renters as enemies also (are the Avalon tenants all illegals?) because they don’t pay property taxes directly? Read the following article. Hopefully it will propel you to read more and stop relying on the NY Post or Fox News or other Mickey Mouse news source. Educate yourself before making silly and unintelligent comments for which you have no clue. Cheers!
Martin Sanchez
Bad Arguments Against Immigration
WRITTEN BY ISAAC MOREHOUSE
The Economic Argument
Arguments against immigration on economic grounds basically boil down to “They took our jobs!”. Some feel that allowing people to freely cross borders will result in a flood of low-wage labor that will “steal” jobs from natural born citizens. Labor is a factor of production, just like raw materials or financial capital. Restricting the flow of capital and labor will always decrease economic prosperity. Access to more resources – human or otherwise – always increases wealth and opportunity. If this does not make sense to you, I recommend Frederic Bastiat’s “What is Seen and What is Unseen”, chapter 7, as well as his brilliantly satirical “Candle Maker’s Petition”
The Culture Argument
Others argue that immigration must be restricted in order to protect the nation’s unique cultural heritage. I submit to you that any culture which must be maintained by force is not an authentic culture and is probably a bad one. Cultures freely arise because they provide benefits to those who participate in them. Cultures are always changing. Getting government in the business of protecting culture is dangerous and counter-productive. First, who gets to define what constitutes culture? Bureaucrats don’t have the best track record in such matters. Second, do we really want to live in a culture that is forced upon us by government prohibitions, restrictions and mandates? (I know this stands in contrast to PI’s stance, but in my opinion the same goes for language, which is part of culture.)
The Welfare Argument
Advocates of limited government sometimes argue against immigration on the grounds that immigrants make use of the welfare state and increase the cost of government. State-sponsored welfare programs are a problem. Stopping immigration because immigrants might use welfare programs treats one tiny symptom, not the disease itself. If you routinely dumped garbage on your front lawn and found raccoons frequenting your property, would you try to ban raccoons or would you clean the up the garbage? Though I think the vast majority of immigrants immigrate for jobs, freedom and opportunity, I’m sure some come and make use of government handouts (though far less than U.S. Citizens, and on average less than they pay in taxes). The handouts are an attractive nuisance and should be addressed on their own merits, not by attempting to ban the free movement of people.
The Safety Argument
Some argue that allowing easy immigration will bring bands of criminals into their country and make them less safe. First, if something is a crime it is already, by definition, illegal. Threats to life and property are already protected against via the existing police/military operations. Putting up a wall and stopping anyone from crossing it on the grounds that some of them may be criminals is ludicrous. By this logic, governments should perpetually engage in random home searches because they might discover criminal activity. Closed borders probably don’t stop criminals, but let’s pretend that they could; if we could keep foreign criminals out by keeping out anyone foreign, what would we gain? We’d have spent tons of resources keeping out foreigners, most of whom aren’t criminals, and we’d have that much less to use fighting domestic crime. Banning people from movement because some of them may be criminals is even dumber than banning gun ownership because some people may use them for crime. I trust PI readers to see the many problems with pre-emptive Minority Report style crime fighting.
The Right Argument
Freedom to immigrate can be defended from several angles, but I believe the most important argument is based on rights. Imagine you and I have pieces of property that share a border. You wish to traverse my property and I wish to let you, but lawmakers prohibit it. What business do they have dictating whether we can make decisions about our own property? Sure, they were democratically elected, but what business do others have of voting to determine how you and I peacefully use our property?
What if government issued a decree that business owners were prohibited from hiring anyone born on a Tuesday? It’s no different when they prohibit hiring anyone born in another country. Shouldn’t the business owner be free to hire whom he wishes? If an individual wishes to travel, work, buy, or sell peacefully and all other parties involved agree, why should government prohibit it?
When you think up other arguments against immigration, ask yourself why they should not also be applied in state to state immigration? City to city? Home to home?
At bottom I think much anti-immigration sentiment comes from a fear of people unlike us. I support anyone’s right to be prejudiced, or to associate only with those of like culture. But putting that attitude into public policy not only hampers wealth and progress, it violates my right to associate peacefully with whom I choose.
i guess i could agree with
i guess i could agree with that.
Gabe Sanchez
There are plenty of good arguments to be made here…
…but I am not sure these are they.
In fact, some of these “arguments” are plain silly. For example,
“What if government issued a decree that business owners were prohibited from hiring anyone born on a Tuesday? It’s no different when they prohibit hiring anyone born in another country.”
Uh…no. It is not. Every country in the world has some sort of policies about who can enter the country, who can work in the country and so on. They have these policies for many good reasons but to pick the most obvious — they want to know who is being paid to work so the pay can be taxed.
“I’m sure some come and make use of government handouts (though far less than U.S. Citizens, and on average less than they pay in taxes)”
This is an absurd comparison. U.S. citizens are ENTITLED BY LAW to various welfare programs so, of course, they are going to take more “handouts” than non-citizens. A better comparison would be to look at the number of people who have either overstayed their visas or entered the country without going through customs and then ask what percentage of them are receiving benefits. As they should not even be in the country anything over zero is in excess of what they should get. This same argument applies to criminal activity. Anything over zero is too much.
I could go on but the rest of Morehouse’s “argument” is equally ridiculous.
The government routinely makes the sort of decisions referenced in the Morehouse article. By his logic, the government should not regulate any business or have zoning laws which apply to private property. Taken to its logical extreme, what he is proposing that anyone who can get into the U.S. should be allowed to stay. This strikes me as incredibly unfair. Under this scenario Mexicans and Canadians are given a gigantic advantage as unlike everyone else in the world they can WALK from their home country into the U.S. Why should they be given preference?
I do agree with some of Morehouse’s economic argument but it is flawed as well. All Americans benefit from immigration. We WANT immigration. Immigrants have a positive impact on our economy, they make all of us richer, they decrease the average age of the population (octogenarians tend not to walk across deserts) and may well help us solve or at least reduce the looming social security crisis. But this IS the United States of America. Many, many people want to come live here. We can have our pick. Picking based on who can walk here is not a good filter.
We want the best and the brightest not the closest. Instead of allowing anyone who can walk into the country priority I would rather give priority to Ph.D’s, engineers, doctors, scientists, and so on. I would want to evaluate their mental and physical capabilities — make sure they are of sound mind and body. I would give priority based on age as well. In fact, I can think of many criteria that I would prefer. I suppose making people walk through a desert is one such filter but I am not comfortable with causing people to drop dead along the way.
You can put whatever spin on it you want but in my experience those are not Mexican rocket scientists cutting lawns in Scarsdale.
they are !
They are
Right on Cox!!
It’s time we sweep the schools of all illegals. How many of the kids are illegals? I’m sure a large percentage of them. Most of the illegals are in gangs in mexico and they’re bringing them here to New Rochelle. All the gangs in New Rochelle high school are latino gangs. I’m sick of it and it’s time the rules changed. If you’re in a gang, YOU’RE OUT! No second chances, and I don’t mean out of school, I mean out of the country. See YA! Your family is reported to INS and you’re gone. It’s a very simple solution to the biggest problem our country faces right now. We’re basically at war with mexico right now. It’s time we started winning it.
Do Some Research Yourself Mr Sanchez and Don’t Confuse the Issue
The issue at hand can be as confusing as you want to make it or very simple . Either way has far reaching consequences and depending on what side of the coin you’re on will either hurt or help you . I can tell you this , Morehouse speaks of immigration , not illegally sneaking into a country and existing under the radar . It is through the magnanamous nature and generosity of this land that many of these people are even able to function . Knowing this , they have nothing to lose by paying the “coyotes” to provide an entryway into the USA from Mexico , Central and South America . Remember , they are not escaping persecution , they just want more money . There is nothing wrong with immigration , but you really need to look at the effects the undocumented worker has on the system . When someone is living “on the fringe” , they will always accept less than someone more mainstreamed . THAT is why they are paid substandard , exploited wages and live in conditions not generally accepted as middle class. The argument that “they do the work we won’t do ” is total bulls$it .They do the work we won’t do for substandard wages because they ARE exploited . It’s not fair to take advantage of them and you have to blame the employers . Every time you hire a company that uses “illegal” help , you are being ripped off . The company may be a little cheaper , but not as cheap as it should be given the reduced labor costs . The company owners make more money on the back of the exploited worker and you pay the bill . Think of it this way , if the end user truly paid for services that reflect 1/2 price workers , no legitimate company would be in business today . A legitimate laborer makes 2to3 times more than his “pick up at the train station” counterpart but you never see that kind of savings with the end user . No economy ever prospers when multitudes are held down .
Culture has nothing to do with the legal status of anyone .
Welfare & social services . Can you really contend that there is no real strain on services when you have millions of people in an underground economy ? The legal status doesn’t even matter with this issue . When millions of people are being paid cash there is an impact on everything , period.
The safety argument ? This is even more bizarre thinking . According to Morehouse , you either have complete , unrestricted borders or completely shut down borders ? Completely ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing wrong with controlling the flow to and from this country . Just like every other civilized country in the world . This is just more workforce lobbyist B.S. . They just love their exploited families .
The right argument ? wow . You’re kidding me . If you want to go to another country and they say yes, but here’s how you do it . Do you really believe it is within your right to flaunt the world reckognized laws just to “do what you want” ? That’s called a criminal . Theodore Roosevelt said “No man is above the law , and no man is below it, nor do we any man’s permission when we ask him to obey it ” You are absolutely throwing out the very core principal of being a citizen . That is why you don’t have immigration principals applied to “state by state or city by city” movement . They ARE citizens and they are afforded the rights of citizenship because they obey the law . How can you not get that . When a system gets abused , that is the time for the government to get involved otherwise we have riots in the streets . I don’t know where you received your civics lessons , but you can’t just come here and do whatever you want to do because you think it’s your right . We all have a social responsibility that goes along with being a citizen . Accept that responsibility and you will be welcomed , as a citizen .
I’ll be the first to admit , I don’t have the short answer . I don’t necessarily agree with the hypercritical commentary , but I don’t agree that ANYONE has a “right” to just waltz in here without following the rules like everyone else . But we do have to stop the abuse , provide the ability to become a citizen while stopping the improper inflow , yes , just like every other country . This will raise everyones standard of living and we can all support that . So come off your high horse and realize there is a difference between legal and illegal immigration and don’t blend them together to serve your own agenda .
What’s your name? And where do you come from?
Res Ipsa Loquitor,
Martin Sanchez
My name IS America
I come from Yonkers my, parents through Ellis Island . It’s about working together
Dona nobis pacem and that my friend, Res ipsa loquitor.
America?
Like Americio Vespucci – A racist, genocidal man who killed millions of native americans?
a real name???
a real name???
What’s in a name ?
Frustrated by your inability to make any sort of a coherent argument you now want a name ? To make it a personal issue ? The same distractive tactics used by people who consider themselves activists and are merely grandstanders . Shame on you and your ilk ,. Stick to the facts and stop trying to redirect the topic by becoming personal and inflamatory.
Typical
Typical School Board Sanchez remark. It’s the old adage when you can’t debate the issue attack the messenger or something like that.
WOW. CITIJOFROMNEWRO You
WOW. CITIJOFROMNEWRO You got pissed.
Obviously you do not understand how the difficulties of become a legal immigrant has forced people to become an illegal immigrant. The process is slow, and people do not have time. And might I say the fact that people wish to come to this nation is that fact of karma. So many problems have been caused by the United States medeling in the affiars of Latin American nations. What goes around comes around, so you get off your high horse and open your eyes, to the fact that without undocumented people your life style and others would be impacted in more a negative then positive way.
Let me say firstly that our
Let me say firstly that our Nation is made up of Immigrants. The infrastucture of this great land was created on the backs of immigrants. Railroads,Water, Power, ect were all built largely by immigrants from foreign lands.
Secondly my grandparents all 4 came via Ellis Island as immigrants via very hard journeys with very little except the clothing on their backs and a few crumbs and some meager savings. Here is the key difference they came here legally and worked hard becoming American Citizens.
President Franklin Rosevelt relaxed the immigration standards first in order to help farmers out west during World War II. American’s were off fighting for freedom and we needed a fast and instant work force to keep our crops from rotting. After that there have been many Presidents that have relaxed immigration laws or who have created amnesty’s which gave illegal immigrants the feeling that it was okay to come and stay over without having following a legal means in getting here.
That said those who were working towards coming here legally were hurt by those who were given a free pass or those who did not follow quota’s or rules in getting here.
The nation must have borders, our politicans have let us down and more so they have let down those who have come here legally.
Its hard to plan for the future when you can not gauge who is coming and how many. Thats why school yards throughout Queens and other area’s have temporary trailers being used as classrooms rather than playgrounds. This is why the hospital emergency rooms are littered with people who have no other means of basic medical care that could be seen in Doctors offices. The illegal aliens althoug cheap labor basically pass the costs that employers and consumers would pay upon the tax payers. In the end those who are here illegally rarely become Americans.
Our Nation was a melting pot. Our nation was founded by Legal immigrants but our nation is being destroyed by those who do not follow the legal means and by those employers and consumers and politicians whom look the other way.
The INS has given up. We have lost control of our Nation. Those who are here legally have gotten screwed by those who break the law coming here illegally. Even those who came illegally but who have gotten amnesty do not wish this policy to continue. Its very sad for America and for the nation that was built by immigrants. Legal….
Nobody’s Pissed
You obviously missed the point . I support people immigrating – legally – of course . When you “sneak ” in , you set yourself up for exploitation and that’s not fair to anyone . It is difficult , just as it was for the millions who came through Ellis Island . They didn’t have the safety net of a homeland you could walk back to . It should be difficult , but not impossible to become a citizen . That is it’s own reward . Nobody has to suffer to become a citizen , but that doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want to under the guise of “it’s my “right” to flaunt the laws . Not liking the law is in no way an excuse to break it . Besides , without undocumented workers , the documented workers would make more of a living wage . That is fact . Things would be different , but I say in a positive way not a negative way , for all of us . Show me those suffering from political or religious oppression and they have a case to streamlined entry . To streamline it because you are poor doesn’t cut it . By that standard , we should forgo latin America and exclusively bring in prople from Darfur or Bangladesh . Here’s a couple of passages from Theodore Roosevelt to ponder . “We cannot afford to continue to use hundreds of thousands of immigrants merely as industrial assets while they remain social outcasts and menaces any more than fifty years ago we could afford to keep the black man merely as an industrial asset and not as a human being. We cannot afford to build a big industrial plant and herd men and women about it without care for their welfare. We cannot afford to permit squalid overcrowding or the kind of living system which makes impossible the decencies and necessities of life. We cannot afford the low wage rates and the merely seasonal industries which mean the sacrifice of both individual and family life and morals to the industrial machinery. We cannot afford to leave American mines, munitions plants, and general resources in the hands of alien workmen, alien to America and even likely to be made hostile to America by machinations such as have recently been provided in the case of the two foreign embassies in Washington. We cannot afford to run the risk of having in time of war men working on our railways or working in our munition plants who would in the name of duty to their own foreign countries bring destruction to us. Recent events have shown us that incitements to sabotage and strikes are in the view of at least two of the great foreign powers of Europe within their definition of neutral practices. What would be done to us in the name of war if these things are done to us in the name of neutrality? ”
OR “”In the first place we should insist that the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equity with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming an American and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language…and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.” Theodore Roosevelt in a letter to the American Defense Society in 1919
OR
“There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.
This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.
But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.
The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.
The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.”
Addressing the Knights of Columbus in New York City
12 October 1915
I submit we are a nation of law , that being said , purposely attempting to userp it cannot be accepted when it”s only reason is to serve a self interest . It’s not about immigration , it’s about the law and the consequences of ignoring it .
Citijofromnewro
Hey go back to where you came from and take your white hood and cape with you.
Nothing Good Comes Easy!
Read the subject line it says it all obey the law!
CitiJofrom New Ro is correct Mr Sanchez!
It’s not immigrants anyone is speaking about. It’s ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS which you wholeheartedly have supported from day one. Illigal immigration is against the law for many reasons. Nobody is saying rights will or should be taken away from anyone. All we are saying is illegal immigrants use our national systems and are actually destroying our way of life here. I don’t really think there is any argument in that. Now if you have some reasons why you support illegal immigrants living in this nation and destroying our schools and systems of government, I think we’re all ears. Nobody is calling anyone names, like you have been since the moment you’ve arrived on this site several months ago. You’ve basically called every person in New Rochelle who isn’t latino, a bigot and a racist and ignorant, when it is every other person in New Rochelle who has paid the way for illegal immigrants to send their kids to schools. Your political aspirations are finished in New Rochelle.
he has not called anyone
he has not called anyone racist.
being educated and racist are two different things. Educate yourself, live the experience of illegal immigrants, then you can pass a more valid judegement. But no one here is racist, yet.
In order to ‘live the experience of ILLEGAL immigrants’…
…
I would have to break the law. I would not be willing to do that.
Should we ask our Police Officers to smoke pot so they ‘can pass a more valid judgement’ on what it’s like to experience being high before they can arrest someone for possession of a drug?
Just because someone does not agree with your point-of-view…
… doesn’t warrant the need to say, “Educate yourself before making silly and unintelligent comments for which you have no clue.”
Seems to me that you are the one missing the obvious “clue”. I haven’t read anything that leads me to believe that the comments posted here are “anti-immigration”. That is YOUR definition interjected into a conversation about ILLEGAL immigrants.
You can do all the RESEARCH and READING you want to do, the fact of the matter remains: the LAW is the LAW. Each side can find equal amounts of information to support their argument.
We are all children of immigrants. That is why we need to respect and preserve the contributions our ancestors made to this land of opportunity.
It was just as difficult for previous generations of immigrants and just as time consuming to become naturalized citizens. Just “go out” and ask them. Their sacrifices shouldn’t be ignored. Do you think they as fellow immigrants would support handing over a free pass to those who cross our borders illegally?
Oh, and what is a “Mickey Mouse” news source? Would that be CBS where Dan Rather doesn’t verify sources before transmitting erroneous information from a forged memo? or maybe the NY Times where some reporters make up sources?
The law is the law
Yes it is. The law is a legally imposed custom. Your custom e.g. slavery, discrimination, sexism. and other isms.
All those “isms” mentioned are illegal in this country.
We have laws for those violations. People are prosecuted if they discriminate against race, sex or religion. Slavery is against the law. In order to maintain a civil society laws need to be followed and enforced. There are many countries that practice the ‘customs’ you mentioned above, the United States is not one of them. Therefore, those suffering in other countries under these many “isms”, are desperate to come to America to get away from them. If we are such an oppressive and ‘imposing’ country, why would anyone want to come here?
Slavery exists today inthe USA
Google some current cases in federal courts where slavery has been one of the items dicussed. Don’t belive for a minute that slavery does not exists in the US in 2009. God you must be living in a cave in City Hall or something.
You say ‘current cases’ were being prosecuted…
…proving that slavery is illegal in this country.
Jackass Remark
Jackass, slavery, discrimination and sexism are not legally imposed and are illegal punishable by fine and or imprisonment!
laws are legally imposed
laws are legally imposed customs. now immigration law is a problem. and we are debating immigration now, not years ago at ellis island where it was much much eaiser to become a citizen.
immigration law is a problem only when it’s not enforced
Do you really think it was easy at Ellis Island? People who shed everything from their previous life to take a chance to become Americans through legal means. Without the luxury of a paid “coyote” who would keep trying to get you in for a flat fee. Tell me why it should be easy for you to skirt the law and jump ahead of those who would follow the law. Martin Sanchez makes no sense and neither do you.
Verum adveho nobis non in refero – is adveho nobis in quaero !
“Laws” are not “legally imposed customs”.
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A ‘custom’ is something altogether different.
http://www.usastudyguide.com/customshabits.htm
Using your own argument about ‘living the experience’, how are you able to assert that it was ‘much much easier to become a citizen’ through the Ellis Island Experience? Again, that’s not what I am familiar with, elderly immigrants from that time have never likened it to a pleasure trip. Each generation has had it’s hardships and obstacles to overcome. Part of their pride comes from having achieved it ‘LEGALLY’ through their hard work and perseverance.
Martin Sanchez…
You really need to read what people write before you respond and look foolish. Not only that, but you actually help strengthen the statement by reply so foolishly.
So basically, martin sanchez is saying…
people should go and break the law at every cost they can. And more mexicans should illegally enter the united states illegally because that is best for America? Is that what your saying sanchez? Do you believe the people of New Rochelle do not work hard enough, or better yet, do you believe african americans in downtown New Rochelle don’t work hard enough? Do you think illegal immigrants from latino countries deserve the jobs over the african americans? These are very important questions the people of this website want to know?What should be the proper representation of the latino community in downtown New Rochelle? What percentage of New Rochelle residents are illegal aliens? How many of those people have children who attend the school district? How many of those families have health insurance? How many of those families have been to the Sound Shore Medical center and not paid their bill? What is the current defecit at the sound shore medical center due to illegal immigrant delinquency? Is it fair to the New Rochelle taxpayer to have to shell out this bill? While you were a board member what was the percentage of times you voted in favor of a latino over a white issue?
It’s time someone does some fact finding on Martin Sanchez
Don’t you cox? Many many tales have come out of sanchez’ mouth over the years. Let’s see if his credentials really are true. College, place of birth, his whole story. Something tells me this guy is one big phony.
pay taxes
we pay taxes we shop in the downtown 99cent stores,friut&veg. store, mickey dees, ect, allthese stores pay taxes with are money.
Tourists pay taxes, too
Tourists pay sales tax, too, but what about income tax (state and federal)? property tax? school tax? business tax?
It’s clear from your post
It’s clear from your post that you are not legal, so to “splain” to you in a way you’ll understand, you “shop in the downtown 99cent stores,friut&veg. store, mickey dees, ect, allthese stores” with money which has not been subjected to payroll taxes i.e. state, federal, social security ect. So the currency is legal but you are not and until you share the burden you should not be allowed to reap the harvest i.e. health care, welfare. medicaid, section eight, food stamps and a public education!
U spend barely anything.
The illegals use all our public services without contributing a penny. Illegals from mexico send 3/4’s of their paycheck back to mexico. U are no good here.
Who are the illegals?
When you refer to illegals do you mean the North End folks in New Rochelle who don’t pay taxes and screw all working class people? Is Madoff illegal because he doesn’t pay taxes? Is that North Salem town supervisor illegal also? How about the bunch of rabbis who got busted in jersey for money laundering? Are they illegal? Do you pay all of your taxes on time? I don’t think so? You must be a closeted illegal. Get a better argument you silly boy!
Madoff is in jail. He committed a crime and he got punished.
All the rest that you mentioned, who have done something ‘ILLEGAL’ will be punished also. The only thing ‘silly’ is someone who thinks that they will get away with breaking the law. Eventually, it catches up to you. Have you read Edgar Allen Poe’s “The Tell-Tale Heart” or Dostoevsky’s “Crime and Punishment”?
Yes we read them
Can you read in Spanish or any other language?
Yes, I am bi-lingual. Why?
I am the child of immigrant parents. I am an American, born and raised in New Rochelle. I am bi-lingual and am in the midst of learning a third language.
I believe it is important to be able to communicate in as many ways as possible.
Were you implying something about Americans and ‘any other’ languages?
you are a
pinchi puto ese
I can remember my
I can remember my grandmother sending money and clothes back to her parents who were having a rough time in Southern Italy. They would also send clothes bundled in boxes and covered with old flour sacks. These were care packages to family members living where agriculture was the way people survived. Why is charity all of a sudden a bad word? The beliefs of many religious faiths encourage charitable activity by its members. Even non-believers encourage charity and generosity as values.
Your statement, “U are no good here.” is not a very nice thing to say (I am being extra polite). My grandparents were naturalized but that didn’t stop others from breaking every window in their house, or throwing stones as my father ventured home from school. Hey, are you talking to me?
I love the community that has chosen to settle here in New Rochelle. they are good people. I have taught their children and gotten to know their families. They have taught me plenty about what is takes to move to another country. It’s not easy. I have a better understanding of what my relatives must have gone through when confronted with small minded people.
Lovelle Ruggiero
you right
me make 8oo week girlfriend make 400 week cash and you gringo just jelious
Who ever wrote this reply…
is an IDIOT!!!
Exmple of New Rochelle Corruption
What could possibly be idiotic about displaying a perfect example of how city employees take bribery from New Rochelle businessowners than a true example of a blatant request by an inspector for a gift to keep the inspector from giving a ticket?
Illegals
You went very deep with the crime aspect. My arguement would be more simple. Stop the hipocracy and stop giving “Illegal” immigrants the opportunities to work here unabaited. i.e day laborersites supported by the city. Why would one ne discourged if the welcome mat is laid out?
undocumented people
i have a question for those who wish to stop illegal immigration. how do oyu plan on doing this? A wall, a fence, more border partol agents, no day laborer site, etc?
All will prove futile to stop illegal immigration. In fact the only way to slow or stop illegal immigration is to not be a weathly nation. It is a backlash for being a rich country that we have this issue. (Ex. Because of the economic downturn, illegal immmigration has decreased 40%!)
All in all, undocumented people contribute more then not. Criminals are in every group, so dont single out illegal immigrants because of their status.
How do you stop Illegal immigration???
you remove the economic incentive by penalizing the perpetrators. Just as drug dealers and tax cheats have their property confiscated and sold at gov’t auctions, the gov’t can seize all assets of illegals, deport them and sell their assets no matter how long you have been in this country. Sounds harsh? tell that to the people that have had their house and cars seized by the police for growing a few marijuana plants on their property AND THEY ARE LEGAL CITIZENS. Huge fines for employers of illegals will work in addition to seizures. When you remove the economic benefits, people will stop entering illegally.
Improved Social Security Card
A partial solution here is an improved social security card that is hard to duplicate and contains information about an individual. For example, if the social security card were a plastic “credit card” style object it could contain biometric information about the person so that the card could not be easily shared.
At some companies, e.g. country clubs, multiple people use the same social security card. The gov could send “no match” letters to employers to tell them that they are breaking the law. If they got the same “no match” letter two years in a row, they would be fined or charged with illegal hiring.
Also, some immigrants here illegally use the SS card of their children. With more biometrics an adult would be unable to use the card of a child.
The gov has already made food stamps available on an ATM style card. Also, the gov has redesigned all the paper money. Improving the social security card would be one step towards better enforcement of laws on the books.