City Council Meets to Hear Presentation on Revised Forest City Plan for Echo Bay; Passes MOU Extension, Vet Storm Out

Written By: Robert Cox

NoamHosniChumsUPDATE: The City Council voted 5-2 to approve an “extension” of the M.O.U. with Forest City Ratner that was originally intended to develop a 26-acre waterfront parcel. The vote became heated with a parliamentary show down as Bramson sought to ram through the resolution without debate and without the opportunity for the public to comment. Before voting “no”, Bramson made parallets between what was happening and the failed attempts by Hosni Mubarak to suppress democracy in Egypt.

All four Democrats along with Republican Al Tarantino supported the M.O.U. extension. The stated purpose of the extension was to give the City a year to fully evaluate the Forest City plans for Echo Bay Development. Skeptics believe the real purpose was to keep the deal on life support past the November 2011 City elections so that Mayor Bramson could avoid the political damage from losing both LeCount Square and Echo Bay in the same month.

Forest City Ratner outlined hints of a vague plan which sharply curtails the development plans. Only the New Rochelle City Yard and the New Rochelle Armory, property already controlled by the City of New Rochelle, would be developed. In what was described as “Phase One”, Forest City said it would develop primarily residential units, discard below ground parking, and otherwise dramatically scale back the plan offered in 2008 when the M.O.U. was first passed. Abe Naperstak, representing Forest City Ratner, would not offer any assurances that Phase Two or Phase Three would ever be built nor would he guarantee any sales tax revenue from the project or agree to forego seeking tax abatements from the IDA.

The discussion became heated with Noam Bramson lashing out several times at Council Member Richard St. Paul. During the course of the meeting, Bramson, who is known in political circles for his hot temper when he does not get his way, accused St. Paul of toying with the Council by raising concerns on behalf of the Republicans, suggested that the Council adopt a policy limiting Council Members speaking time at meetings and raised personal issues about St. Paul. Al Tarantino and Louis Trangucci objected to Bramson’s behavior with Tarantino chastising Bramson for being out of line when he responded to a “home rule” proposal sponsored by St. Paul to bring the IDA under City Council control by saying he [Bramson] could mention that you [St. Paul] are representing Pedro Espada, the New York State legislature facing criminal and civil corruption charges. St. Paul is representing Espada in the civil case. St. Paul later said that by Noam’s logic if a lawyer represents a murdered they support murder. More on this later.

LIVEBLOGGING THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING:

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The City Council of New Rochelle will receive a presentation tonight from Forest City Ratner on a revised plan for the Echo Bay Development. The plan will call for breaking the development into three phases starting with the residential development on the location of the City Yard and the New Rochelle Armory. The second phase will occur in the area North of the City Yard out to Lefevre Lane the location of car dealership parking lots between Route 1 and the sewage treatment plant. The third phase will occur in the area South of the City yard and include the Nelstadt property and the Con Edison property, a toxic waste site loaded with PCBs.As part of the plan the City would receive $100,000 from Forest City Ratner.

Under the plan the City would gift the City Yard and Armory property to Forest City. Forest City would not pay for moving the City Yard to a proposed site on Beechwood Avenue.

Forest City will offer no guarantees of sales tax revenue from the commercial properties nor make any guarantees that any of the phases will actually be built holding out the prospect that, at best, Forest City could build residential units using free land, IDA benefits and secure for themselves the cleanest property with the best water views but leave the two adjoining areas undeveloped and not remediated.

Mayor Noam Bramson is seeking to push through a vote tonight to approve the revised Forest City Ratner plan without public review or public input. Republicans on the committee agreed to attend private “2 x 2 x 2” meetings several weeks ago with the understanding that the public would have an opportunity to have input into the revised plan before there is a vote. There is also a Echo Bay Development Commission, appointed by the Mayor, which was created to advise the City on the Echo Bay project. According to one member who spoke with Talk of the Sound, the Echo Bay Development Commission has not met for well over a year and was not consulted on the revised plan. In June 2010, Forest City Ratner was granted an extension of its M.O.U. with the City of New Rochelle by the City Council with the understanding that Forest City Ratner would come back with a revised plan in August or September. That never happened. The extension of the Echo Bay M.O.U. expired on January 15th, 2010. The City has not disclosed the legal argument that would allow them to extend the M.O.U. after it already expired without putting out another RFP and beginning the process over again.

That will be a major focus of conflict at tonight’s meeting — will the Democrats ram through the Forest City Ratner plan immediately after the public presentation of the plan.

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UPDATES

7:17 PM – Michael Freimuth says that the $100,000 would actually by a replenishing of the escrow account by $75,000 with additional $25,000 if needed.

7:22 PM — Abe Naperstack says company still committed to the project but times have changed.

1. Reducing amount of infrastructure – almost a mile of readers were going to be building on the 26 acres of Echo Bay

2. Dramatic reduction in underground parking — not economically viable without tremendous public subsidy

3. Reducing density – less apt units and less retail.

4. Phasing – original was to roll out majority all at once, now in three stages (described above), focus on what City already controls.

5. Armory – keep the Armory, come up with a new use for it.

Jared Rice Questions.

1. Will hiring practices support hiring local minorities and women.

Forest City/Yes

2. Will project be LEED Certified?

Forest City/Yes

3. Will you work with City on reuse of Armory?

Forest City/Yes

Noam Bramson Statement

The year will be used by both the City of New Rochelle and Forest City Ratner to determine that both parties wish to go forward. If, at the end of the year, both parties wish to go forward there will be an opportunity for public input on Environmental Review leading towards Land Disposition Agreement.

Marianne Sussman Question

1. Originally much of the plan was for waterfront access, open space parks, the views, public streets, retail. Do you have a sense of what benefits are central to the project at this point?

Forest City/benefits would be along the same lines

2. Much of what was originally proposed is now limited.

Forest City/the

Al Tarantino Question

1. If we extend MOU, what is guarantee that phase 2 or 3 would happen. If only phase 1 happens there is no public water access.

Forest City/I can guarantee there will be public water access.

2. The original MOU referred to “Consideration”; What will City get for selling the land in phase 1? what is price of land?

Forest City/Freimuth will work with Forest City to determine a fair value.

3. How will public have access to this land if you are building private apartments? Will it be 24/7? Weekends only? Will this open up waterfront to the public.

Forest City/the goal would be to open up waterfront to the public. Shared parking, renters would be leaving during day so there would be plenty of parking.

Noam Statement

We will have all details spelled out before a binding vote

Lou Trangucci

1. You are going to get rid of underground parking, so will that reduce open space

Forest City/Not necessarily, there will not be a sea of surface parking, but not going underground 2 levels.

2. 750 rentals in original plan, reduced?

Forest City/this will be reduced.

3. Phasing. Phase one will be the Armory and City Yard (and maybe Mancuso Marina says Forest City). How long from starting phase 1 to completing phase 3.

Forest City/time frame to build whole thing was 2 years so this could be 5 years.

4. Will you go to the IDA for tax abatements?

Forest City/the model considers various things.

5. You are reducing retail, will you guarantee sales tax revenue

Forest City/No.

6. Phase 1, 35mm to move City Yard, who picks up that price? Property was purchased previously to serve as a new City Yard. Is that viable? That site currently serves as transfer station. What is cost of a new transfer station.

Freimith intervenes and says this needs to sort out later but that the it is a municipal obligation to pay for the City Yard.

The vote takes place and passes 5-2. Veterans who had sought to be heard by the City Council on their plans for the New Rochelle Armory stormed out of the meeting in protest.

9 thoughts on “City Council Meets to Hear Presentation on Revised Forest City Plan for Echo Bay; Passes MOU Extension, Vet Storm Out”

  1. There’s No Misprint There
    Forest City will be given the land. At the end of the day, they will sit with the city and do the numbers. FC will be targeting an 8% return on investment. If that number falls shoort, the city will be expected to make up the difference through discounted land disposition and/or tax abatements. ALL developed property WILL be owned by FC. That includes “open space”. So, when the residents of echo bay decide they’ve had enough, FC will shut down the public access part and it will become a gated community. Oh you say, can’t they put a restriction into the deed? Sure, but the city doesn’t have the ability to follow the law. Look at the deed restriction that already exists with the Armory on the Armory
    website.

    1. If the armory is going to as
      If the armory is going to as Forest City contends, then there is no reason why it couldn’t have been taken out of the MOU and given to the veterans so they could redevelop it in a manner that is consistant with its history.

      Here’s a prediction:

      Forest City will ultimately decide the buiding is not worth saving and tear it down in order to achieve their profit margins. The Bramson controlled city council will agree and once again the Mayor will get his way.

  2. I would strongly favor putting in ballfields!
    It still amazes me that we have an vacant 80 acre island that we can’t figure out what to do with and city hall continues to push Echo Bay, which has now been reduced down to the only 2 property owners foolish enough to listen and entertain this BS.

    And now we’ll have to wait another year to find out that we’re still at the same place, nowhere and this has already been going on for 10 or so years. Lets give the property owners in the proposed redeveopment zone a break and let them develop their properties as they wish. It looks like a war zone now, but nobody’s willing to fix or renovate anything because they’re afraid of city hall ultimately using eminate domain to steal their properties so they see no point in fixing anything.

    And does anyone really like the proposal? Sounds crappy to me and just another tax-abated residental development that’s only going to cost the taxpayers more from all the services we’ll be required to pay, such as police, fire, garbage and maybe an expansion of the schools to name a few that quickly come to mind. Can we really afford to give all this away, with nothing in return?

    I would strongly favor putting in ballfields and passive recreation, but being next to the sewage plant make those ideas not so plausible.

  3. There has to be a mis-print
    There has to be a mis-print here. The story says the property the city yard and the armory is on would be “gifted” to Forest City. That can’t be right. A financially strapped city wouldn’t give away valuable real estate to a wealthy developer. Would they?

  4. Development
    It never ceases to amaze me. I look at Pelham Manor, Mount Vernon and Potchester and all three have managed to attract stores like Target. Why New Rochelle continues to go without ONE major department store just boggles the mind.

    I personally wish we had a Mall like the one that was there. With open space outside, a skating rink and quality stores. I can remember aroung the holidays years ago when downtown NR was so busy with shoppers that police officers were stationed around the Mall to direct traffic.

    What killed NR is the lack of foresight that led to decline of our nieghborhoods and ultimately made NR a bad place for retailers to do business in.

    1. New Rochelle without ONE major department store
      You are so right!
      Case in point: Ikea. Wouldn’t that sales tax money look good these days?

      1. The city’s issues are expense
        The city’s issues are expense not income related and selling out to Ikea wouldn’t have solved any of our problems.

        If anything, the Ikea debate brought out how poorly the city is and was run and highlighted how Idoni presented year after year unbalanced budgets that once the sales tax surplus was exhausted eventually led to the library and garbage taxes that we all now pay.

        And the Journal News is now reporting that someone at city hall wants to put a solar farm on David’s Island. I just wonder how much we’re paying the idiot who came up with that suggestion, and I know my 5th grader could’ve come up with a more competitant suggestion. Solar farms are for the desert where there’s lots of sun and the land is cheap, dirt cheap!

  5. City Council Meeting
    I fail to see where the public has supported the vast majority of the development projects that went forth in NR. There was considerable opposition to New Roc and Avalon as I recall. If I am wrong, please correct me.

    I further fail to see the support for moving the city yard or the rush to develop the water front. In fact, the was also plenty of opposition regarding moving the city yard to Beechwood Ave.

    It would appear that the city is be developed the way the Mayor and the majority of council members would like to see it developed. Little concern is given to what the public wants. The people in the south are dumped on the most. They have lttle voice in what goes on in the city because of the composition of the city council and also are in the path of most of these developments. Unfortunately, their voices are not heard by anyone BUT Richard St Paul and Louis Trangucci care. It seems that the decisions on how to develop the city are being made by people who are the LEAST affected by it.

  6. City Council Meeting
    At the start of the meeting, a senior citizen asked if everyone could speak louder. Our mayor gave him a very intimidating response which was very rude. I understand that there are rules, but in this day and time there is no reason why a mike is not on the table so everyone in attendance can hear. This meeting was a lesson in what not to do. Mr. St. Paul asked if it could be brought up in March so the citizen could take part. It was stated that there was enough input by citizens and they can be heard at another time.

    What happened was New Rochelle was sold for $135,000.00. $100,000 for a report and $35,000 for restoration of painting at the Armory.

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