Is Hartley House on the Chopping Block (again)?

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The $9.8 million Legacy grant reported in the Sound Report which is to be used to renovate City Park ($8.5 million) and to repair roads ($1.3million) also requires the city to maintain 15.7 miles of county roads.

The grant also requires the city to construct 185 units of affordable housing which raises the rather obvious question: Where does the city plan to build affordable housing? An even bigger question is why the City of New Rochelle is suddenly in the construction business?

Does this make anyone else wonder what is going on here?

Does anyone remember this story from The New York Times?

Published: Sunday, January 13, 2002

Commissioner Carroll, a former New York City police inspector who took over as commissioner in New Rochelle in 1995, announces an ambitious plan that he vows will change the projects’ police problem. He sets up the same type of community policing progams in New Rochelle that he instituted in several of New York’s toughest neighborhoods in the early 1990’s.


The commissioner offers all new recruits the chance to take the three-year assignment to patrol the projects. It would speed them toward earning their gold shield, the rank of detective. It is not an enviable detail, especially for a new officer. Few officers, even veterans, ventured into the projects alone, and to be assigned to patrol anywhere near there is considered punishment. Only two men, both rookies, volunteer for the duty.

The commissioner assigns Claudio Carpano and Joe Berardi to patrol the projects…the Peter Bracey Houses on Main Street and the Robert Hartley Houses on Horton Street. The two projects comprise 543 apartments for low-income families and are federally and state financed and administered by New Rochelle.

You can read the entire article here

17 thoughts on “Is Hartley House on the Chopping Block (again)?”

  1. Tear the Hartley Houses down
    Tear the Hartley Houses down as fast a possible. Why do we need these crime infested housing projects in the 1st place? They’re costing us all a lot of money and are a blight on our city. What were our city leaders thinking when they allowed them to be built? No one wants to live near any of New Rochelle’s housing projects.

  2. Ice Skating Ring
    Weren’t they going to put an ice skating rink at City Park?

  3. Hartley House
    Soemthing should be done about Hartley House. That really is teh scariest corner in New Ro. Building housing like they did in May Street would help

    1. Where is Hartley House?
      Why is it so dangerous? If it is that dangerous, why don’t the police keep patrols at all times? What is the dynamic makeup of Hartley house? What are some alternatives to living in Hartley House? How does one go about living in Hartley house?

      1. Info on Hartley House
        Hartley Houses

        51, 81, & 81 Winthrop Ave./ 60 & 70 Horton Avenue
        New Rochelle, NY

        240 Family Apartments

        Google Map is here

        More info here:

        New Rochelle Municipal Housing Authority (NRMHA)

    2. scary corner
      scary corner even when police are at site just sitting in ther cars i guess they do not want to arrest ther friends selling drugs.

  4. Housing
    Projects on the drawing board shuch as the Shiloh Babtist development are counted towars the quota. Out of all the debate regarding the legacy grant this issue seemed to be the least concerning to them and teh city manager.

    1. Public Housing on the North End
      There should be a consideration of placing public housing off Quaker Ridge or Wilmot. This would really be in the spirit of the ever present moniker “we live in a diverse community!”

      1. Diversity
        I hear what you are saying but the property cost would make in unaffordable from the start for workforce housing.

      2. Property costs
        believe it or not, part of the difficulty in bringing many of the city’s renewal projects to completion lies in the fact that property costs in the downtown area are rather costly (even for unused or less-desirable sites). This leaves most of the “power” for change/growth in the hands of real-estate investors and contractors/construction firms.

      3. Diversity
        I hear what you are saying but the property cost would make in unaffordable from the start for workforce housing.

      4. Why is it unaffordable?
        Because in the southern part of the town all kinds of variances are granted so it becomes affordable. But in the north end strict zoning regulations are followed.

      5. where is it affordable?
        The north end of the city is completely developed. The development was in clear and marked stages beginning in the early 1900’s and farm land was turned into the single family developments that exist today. These areas were never commercial or industrial. Therefore zoning as single-family residential makes perfect sense. How can anyone fault the area or the people who live in it for the way suburbia has developed?

        The southern section of the city is older and has seen growth and development from farmland to residential, to commercial, to industry/ light industry, to higher-density residential etc. That is why many parts of the southend have been developed with apartment buildings, both small and tall, and chap + expensive. Or senior housing complexes, both affordable and luxury. Or private educational institutions with private campuses and dormitory housing for students.

        There is a logic behind how all these different parts of the city have developed over time.

      6. Do as I say, not as I do
        How about a group home in the nort end? Can you say West Hab??????

        Or a methadon clinic in the Quaker Ridge Shopping Center?????

        The well-to-do wouldn’t allow a 24-hour CVS what makes you think they want diversity? Diversity is a buzz word they throw around to impress friends in Larchmont and Mamaroneck. Diversity only counts when it comes to receiving state aid for the school district which they manipulate as per Cox’s multiple articles.

      7. north end
        north end affordable housing never will happen as long as bramson,fertel,sussmen,korn are still in town

      8. affordable housing and the north end
        the northend of New Rochelle does indeed have housing that is affordable in relation to the surrounding New Rochelle neighborhoods as well as scarsdale and mamaroneck neighborhoods. Weaver street has a stretch of small “cape” houses that run between $300 and $500k. To put it in perspective, the affordable town homes located off Lincoln Avenue near North Avenue are valued in the same price range.

        In “Dorchester Hills” there are several apartment complexes which most certainly offer low rents (or apartment ownership costs if that is the case) as opposed to the surrounding single family homes in Wilmot Woods, Scarsdale Park, and especially in the Heathcote Road section of Scarsdale Village (note: the rear of these apartments face Heathcote Road where the home prices are in the millions).

        Additionally, many homes in the north end of the city are small & relatively inexpensive ranch or split-level developments that were built in the 60s and 70s specifically for middle class families (ie. Daisy Farms, Maplewood, Stratton Hills).

        It would be more appropriate to look at the facts of the entire New Rochelle community before making broad and questionable statements about a lack of diversity in the northend.

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